May 1943, Vicar’s Armstrong Workshops, Newcastle. British engineers unveiled their solution to Germany’s heavy armor. The gun was facing backwards, not slightly angled, completely backwards. Everyone who saw it thought there had been a mistake. There hadn’t been. The Archer would become one of the most effective tank destroyers of the war, and many crews would come to prefer it over conventional alternatives.
Picture the scene. A vehicle that looked like someone had assembled it wrong. The long barrel of Britain’s most powerful anti-tank gun pointing over the engine deck towards the rear. When it drove down English roads, civilians stopped and stared. It appeared to be traveling backwards. Military observers at the first demonstrations were genuinely confused.
At trials, it confused people who saw it for the first time. Some suspected a manufacturing error. Others wondered if the prototype had been assembled by workers who had never seen a tank before. The answer was simple. It couldn’t face any other direction. and that apparent flaw would become its greatest tactical advantage. The problem began in 1942.
Germany had deployed the Tiger Heavy tank in North Africa, and British anti-tank guns struggled against it. The standard six pounder could penetrate roughly 90 mm at 500 m under ideal conditions. The Tiger’s frontal armor measured 100 mm. From the front, at typical engagement ranges, the six pounder often couldn’t reliably stop it.
Crews aimed for flanks or got very close and hoped for the best. Reports from Tunisia described engagements where anti-tank batteries struggled against Tigers frontally. The psychological impact was significant. British tankers began viewing the Tiger as nearly invincible from the front. Something had to change.
Britain’s answer was the 17 pounder. 76.2 mm of pure engineering excellence. 50 mm of penetration at 1,000 m using standard ammunition. With the new armor-piercing discarding Sabot rounds, that figure climbed to 233 mm. Though these rounds were scarce and less accurate, this gun could defeat virtually anything the Germans fielded. Tigers, panthers, even the frontal armor that had stopped everything else.
But there was a problem. The 17 pounder weighed over 2 tons. Its barrel stretched over 4 m long. The recoil forces were enormous. Britain needed to make this gun mobile, and they needed to do it fast. The obvious solution was mounting it on an existing tank chassis. Engineers evaluated the Churchill. Too heavy and the gun wouldn’t fit properly.
They looked at the Crusader. Too small and underpowered. The Cromwell required extensive modifications that would take years to complete. That project eventually became the Challenger, but Britain couldn’t wait for it. Then someone suggested the Valentine. The Valentine was becoming obsolete as a gun tank by 1942.
Over 8,000 had been built during the war, more than any other British tank design. Production lines at Vicers Armstrong were fully established. The chassis was reliable and proven in combat from North Africa to the Eastern Front. It was available in large numbers. There was just one significant problem.
The Valentine was too small to mount the 17 pounder facing forward. Engineer Leslie Little and his team at Vickers faced an impossible puzzle. If they mounted the gun conventionally, the vehicle would be catastrophically frontthe heavy. The front suspension would collapse under the weight. The recoil was so violent that in early configurations, the gun breach recoiled dangerously close to the driver’s space.
The layout simply wouldn’t work facing forward. So little did something no other designer had attempted. He turned the gun around by mounting the 17 pounder facing rearward over the engine deck. The weight balanced properly over the drive sprockets. The rear-facing mount made the layout workable and kept the driver ready to move immediately after firing, and the vehicle could use existing Valentine production lines with minimal modification.
The resulting vehicle carried a crew of four: commander, gunner, loader, and driver. They shared a cramped open topped fighting compartment with 39 rounds of ammunition. The armor ranged from 14 to 60 mm depending on area, thinner than the original Valentine in places to save weight. This was a vehicle built for concealment, not trading hits.
A General Motors six-cylinder diesel engine provided 192 brake horsepower, pushing the vehicle to 32 km/h on roads. The military establishment was not impressed. Trial reports from June 1943 list the complaints. Artillery men wanted a rotating turret instead of a fixed casemate. They demanded more gun depression, more traverse than the mere 11° each side that the Archer offered, more ammunition storage, more room in the fighting compartment.
The Archer provided none of these things. Yet the War Ministry ordered 800 of them, around four times as many as the Challenger tank destroyer, which had a proper forward- facing turret. Pragmatism won over idealism. The Archer weighed just 15.2 tons, roughly half the weight of the American M10 Wolverine. It stood only 2.
24 24 m tall, giving it one of the lowest profiles of any 17 pounder vehicle. It could hide behind hedge rows, walls, and reverse slopes where larger tank destroyers would be spotted immediately. Production began at the Elswick Works in Newcastle, a facility stretching 3 mi along Scotswood Road with over 18,000 workers dedicated to war production.
By war’s end, 655 archers had rolled off the line. The original order called for 800, but Victory in Europe cancelled the remaining contracts. Now, before we get into how this strange machine performed in combat. If you’re finding this interesting, consider subscribing. It takes a second and helps the channel grow.
Now, let’s see what happened when the Archer met the enemy. The Archer entered operational service in October 1944. Officially designated a self-propelled anti-tank gun rather than a tank destroyer, it was operated by the Royal Artillery rather than tank crews. The first 13 vehicles reached the 21st Army Group in November. This was late in the war. D-Day had already happened.
The Normandy breakout was complete. The great tank battles of the Bakage were finished. But the archer would prove its worth in the final campaigns across the Rine and into Germany itself. British doctrine prescribed specific tactics that exploited the backwards facing gun. Crews would reverse the archer into a pre-selected firing position.
They would use natural cover to conceal that remarkably low silhouette. Then they would wait. When German armor entered the kill zone, the archer would fire. The 17 pounder was accurate well beyond 1,000 m. A competent crew could achieve 10 rounds per minute. And here was the tactical genius of the backwards design. After firing, the driver simply drove forward.
No turning required, no exposing the thin side armor while rotating. The vehicle that looked wrong was perfectly designed for shoot and scoot ambush tactics. German tank crews facing archers often had no idea what had hit them. The muzzle flash came from an unexpected direction. The vehicle they were looking for was already gone before they could traverse their turrets.
Panza commanders trained to identify enemy vehicles by their silhouettes, found themselves searching for a threat that didn’t match anything in their recognition manuals. According to veteran accounts compiled by the tank museum, crews who initially mocked the design came to appreciate it. One contemporary report noted that the rear mounting was seen as an advantage since the vehicle did not need to turn around to retreat.
Another observed that the low profile made it perfect for ambushes. The archer saw action during operation veritable in February 1945. The massive offensive to clear the rhinand. Imperial War Museum photographs document archers operating in flooded streets at Crannenburgg on the 11th of February and supporting the attack on Gawk on the 19th.
The flooded conditions during this offensive actually favored the relatively light archer over heavier vehicles that bogged down in the mud. In Italy, archers arrived in 1945 supporting the final spring offensive. The seventh anti-tank regiment of the second Polish Corps employed them in the last Italian operations.
The mountainous terrain and narrow road suited the compact vehicle well. Where larger American tank destroyers struggled on hairpin turns, the archer could position itself in places the enemy never expected anti-tank guns to appear. What could this backwards gun actually kill? According to Royal Armored Core assessments, the 17 pounder could penetrate Tiger frontal armor at standard combat ranges.
against the Panther. Period. Analysis suggested the side armor was vulnerable at long range, potentially beyond 2,000 yd under favorable conditions. The Panther’s gun mantlet was also vulnerable, though at closer distances. Only the Panther’s highly sloped glacis plate remained genuinely difficult, requiring shots under 200 m for reliable penetration.
British crews used barrel camouflage to disguise their archers, painting 50% disruptive white patterns to make Germans believe they face standard 75 mm guns rather than the deadly 17 pounder, the same trick employed on Sherman Fireflies. By the time German crews realized what they were facing, their tank was already burning.
How did the Archer compare to its rivals? The German Yak Panza 4 with its long 75 mm gun weighed around 24 tons and carried up to 80 mm of sloped frontal armor. It was better protected and carried a respectable gun, but the Archer’s 17 pounder outperformed it in raw penetration. This was the deliberate trade-off.
Protection sacrificed for firepower and concealment. The American M10 Wolverine weighed nearly 30 tons, achieved 88 mm of penetration with its 3-in gun, and offered a full rotating turret. The Archer outgunned it significantly, but lacked the tactical flexibility. In a stand-up fight, the M10 had advantages. In an ambush, the Archer was superior.
Here is the remarkable detail. According to contemporary accounts, some British artillery crews came to favor their archers over the Americanmade 10 Achilles they received through lend lease. The shoot and scoot capability that seems so absurd on paper proved effective in the right tactical situations.
The archers service didn’t end in 1945. Egypt purchased 200 exritish archers after the 1948 Arab-Israeli war. During the Suez crisis of 1956, Egyptian crews fielded archers against Israeli armor. Jordan received 36 vehicles for their Arab Legion in 1952. The design that British artillery men had criticized in 1943 was still seeing combat 13 years later. 655 built.
Service spanning over a decade. Export to three nations. This backwards looking vehicle that confused everyone who first saw it proved exactly what British engineering could achieve when conventional thinking was abandoned. The Archer demonstrates a truth about military technology that applies far beyond the Second World War.
The best solution isn’t always the obvious one. Sometimes you have to turn the entire concept around and look at it from a completely different direction. Vicers Armstrong faced an impossible engineering problem. The gun was too big. The chassis was too small. The conventional approach would never work. So they built something that looked wrong to everyone who saw it.
And it worked better than the alternatives that looked right. The Americans built the M10 with a proper rotating turret. The Germans built the Yagpanza with thick frontal armor. Both designs made sense on paper. Both looked like proper tank destroyers should look. But neither could match the 17 pounders killing power, combined with the archers ability to vanish after each shot.
That’s British engineering. Not elegant, not pretty, not what anyone expected, but effective when it mattered most. The 17 pounder that killed tigers and panthers, mounted backwards on an obsolete chassis, driven into battle by crews who learned to love the strangest tank destroyer of the war.
QQ4 Bob Dylan and Keith Richards have been close friends for nearly 40 years. The friendship began on a live television program in November of 1986 in the 11 seconds after Bob Dylan called Keith Richards music derivative on camera. Keith Richard’s response to that assessment, one sentence said without anger, without performance, with the specific directness of a man who has nothing to prove and knows it made Bob Dylan laugh.
Then made Bob Dylan go quiet. then made Bob Dylan say two words that people who know Bob Dylan say he almost never said to anyone. This is the story of those 11 seconds and the 40 years that followed them. The program was a live music interview special broadcast on an American network on the evening of November 3rd, 1986. The format was simple.
Two musicians, a host, an hour of conversation about music and the state of it. The producers had assembled the pairing of Bob Dylan and Keith Richards with the specific calculation of television producers who understand that two people with equally strong and potentially incompatible views about what music is and what it should do will produce better television than two people who agree about everything.
The calculation was correct, though not in the way the producers had anticipated. Bob Dylan was 45 years old in November of 1986. Bob Dylan had released Empire Burlesque the previous year and had been on the road for most of the intervening period as part of the True Confessions tour with Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers.
Bob Dylan was in November of 1986 in one of the most prolific and restless phases of a career that had consisted almost entirely of prolific and restless phases. A career that had moved through folk, rock, country, gospel, and back again, that had been declared finished at least six times by the music press, and at each time continued with the serene indifference of a river to the opinions of people standing on its banks.
Bob Dylan had been redefining what music could be. Since 1962, Bob Dylan had invented and reinvented himself so many times that reinvention had become his defining characteristic, not in the superficial sense of a performer changing costumes, but in the deeper sense of a musician who had never allowed his work to settle into a form that could be anticipated or categorized from the outside.
Bob Dylan understood influence and originality and the relationship between them better than almost anyone alive in 1986. Bob Dylan had spent 24 years thinking carefully and specifically about where music came from and where music was going and what it meant that those two things were always in constant conversation with each other.
Keith Richards was 42 years old in November of 1986. Keith Richards had been playing guitar professionally since 1962. Keith Richards had built a career on a foundation of American blues and rhythm and blues. A foundation that Keith Richards had studied with the systematic devotion of someone who understood that the tradition he was building on was not incidental to the music he was making, but essential to it.
that you could not understand what Keith Richards did without understanding where Keith Richards had come from and what Keith Richards had been listening to since he was a teenager in Dartford with American Import Records and a secondhand guitar and no teacher except the recordings themselves. Keith Richards had never pretended otherwise. Keith Richards had in fact spent considerable energy across his career making the lineage explicit, naming the artists, citing the recordings, insisting on the acknowledgement of influence that the mainstream music
industry had a long history of suppressing or ignoring or crediting to the wrong people. If anything, Keith Richards was more transparent about his sources than most musicians of his generation. Keith Richards had always said openly that the Rolling Stones came directly from the blues, that Muddy Waters and Robert Johnson and the specific tradition of the Mississippi Delta were not background influences, but foundational ones.
The music Keith Richards made was in direct and sustained conversation with that tradition, something Keith Richards considered not a limitation, but a responsibility and a form of respect. The interview had been running for 8 minutes when the host asked Bob Dylan about the current state of rock and roll.
Bob Dylan answered with the density and the indirection that characterized Bob Dylan’s responses to direct questions, turning the question over, approaching it from an unexpected angle, finding his way to what he actually thought through a series of observations that moved like a river rather than a road. Bob Dylan was not a straightforward interview subject.
Bob Dylan had been asked about rock and roll in hundreds of interviews across 24 years and had developed the habit of treating the question as an invitation to think out loud rather than a request for a prepared position. The producer Gerald Sherman said afterward that in the first 8 minutes of the interview, he had been slightly anxious, not because anything was going wrong, but because nothing was going anywhere in particular yet.
The interview had the feeling of two conversations happening simultaneously. Bob Dylan’s internal one and the external one visible to the cameras. And Gerald Sherman was not certain in those first eight minutes that the two conversations would converge into something. Bob Dylan talked about influence. Bob Dylan talked about originality.
Bob Dylan talked about the difference between music that absorbed a tradition and transformed it and music that absorbed a tradition and reproduced it. And then Bob Dylan made his assessment. And then Bob Dylan said with the precision of a man making a musical assessment rather than a personal judgment that the Rolling Stones work, and Bob Dylan was specific, naming Keith Richards as the guitarist whose approach he was discussing was derivative in a way that Bob Dylan found limiting.
Bob Dylan said it without hostility. Bob Dylan said it as a technical observation about the relationship between source material and the work that came from it. Bob Dylan said that Keith Richards played the blues the way the blues had already been played, rather than using the blues as a starting point for something that had not yet been played.
Keith Richards had been listening to this with the specific attention Keith Richards gave to things being said about music by people who knew music. Keith Richards did not interrupt. Keith Richards did not shift in his chair or display any of the visible signals of a person preparing a defensive response. Keith Richards listened to Bob Dylan’s complete observation all the way to its conclusion without interrupting and without displaying any visible signal of preparing a response.
Then Keith Richards said one sentence. The sentence was not a rebuttal. The sentence did not defend Keith Richards music or argue for its originality or challenge Bob Dylan’s characterization of what the blues meant in the context of rock and roll. The sentence was something else entirely, something that required a specific kind of confidence to say.
The confidence of a person who has spent long enough thinking about the same things as the person they are talking to that they can locate the exact point where their thinking diverges and say something useful about that point rather than simply defending their own position. The sentence acknowledged everything Bob Dylan had said, the assessment, the distinction Bob Dylan was drawing, the specific musical concern underlying the observation, and then turned it 90°.
Keith Richards took Bob Dylan’s own framework, the one Bob Dylan had used to analyze Keith Richards relationship to the blues tradition, and applied it back to Bob Dylan’s work with the same precision Bob Dylan had used to apply it to Keith Richards. Spare aimed. The sentence asked Bob Dylan something about Bob Dylan’s own music, about the relationship between Bob Dylan’s sources and Bob Dylan’s output that Bob Dylan had not been asked on television before.
The sentence did not attack. The sentence illuminated. Bob Dylan laughed. The laugh was not the polite laugh of someone responding to a joke. The laugh was the involuntary laugh of someone who has been genuinely surprised. The specific kind of surprise that a person of exceptional intelligence experiences when someone else’s intelligence exceeds their expectations.
Bob Dylan laughed for 4 seconds. Then Bob Dylan stopped laughing. Then Bob Dylan was quiet for 3 seconds in the way that Bob Dylan was quiet when Bob Dylan was thinking rather than performing thought. Then Bob Dylan said, “You’re right.” The producer in the booth, a man named Gerald Sherman, who had been working in television for 14 years, said afterward that in 14 years of live television production, he had never heard Bob Dylan say those two words in a public forum.
Gerald Sherman said he had worked with Bob Dylan on two previous occasions and had observed Bob Dylan in numerous other contexts and that you’re right was not a phrase that Bob Dylan deployed easily or often because Bob Dylan had spent 24 years being right about music in ways that other people eventually caught up with. And the experience of being right ahead of everyone else does not generally produce a man who says you’re right readily when someone else makes a point.
The host of the program, a journalist named Patricia Wells, who had been interviewing musicians for 12 years, said afterward that the 11 seconds between Bob Dylan’s assessment and Bob Dylan saying, “You’re right,” were the most extraordinary 11 seconds of television she had been present for. Patricia Wells said that what she witnessed in those 11 seconds was not a debate or a confrontation or a celebrity exchange of competing opinions.
Patricia Wells said what she witnessed was one musician recognizing another musician as an equal, which was in the specific context of Bob Dylan in 1986, not something that happened in public very often. The interview continued for another 42 minutes after those 11 seconds. The conversation between Bob Dylan and Keith Richards in the remaining 42 minutes was described by everyone who watched it as fundamentally different from the first 8 minutes.
The host, Patricia Wells, who had been conducting music interviews for 12 years and understood the difference between the performance of conversation and actual conversation, said that at approximately the 9-minute mark, something shifted in the studio. That the formal interview, architecture dissolved, and what replaced it was something less structured and more genuine.
Bob Dylan and Keith Richards talked about influence and originality and the blues and what it meant to build on a tradition without being consumed by it. They talked about specific recordings and specific musicians with the specificity of two people who had spent their entire adult lives thinking about these things and rarely found another person who had thought about them with equivalent care.
They talked about where music came from and where music was going and whether those two questions were actually one question or two. Patricia Wells said afterward that she had asked approximately four questions in the remaining 42 minutes because Bob Dylan and Keith Richards did not require questions. They required only a room and a camera and the shared understanding that what they were saying together was worth recording carefully.
She said it was the best interview she had ever conducted and that she had conducted the smallest part of it. After the program, Bob Dylan and Keith Richards were in the corridor outside the studio when the host Patricia Wells passed them. Patricia Wells said she did not stop because she did not want to interrupt.
She observed them for approximately 30 seconds from a distance. She said they were talking with the ease of people who had known each other for years rather than people who had met for the first time 2 hours earlier. She said that something had shifted between them during the broadcast that the broadcast had made permanent rather than temporary.
She continued down the corridor and did not look back. She said in her account of that evening that she had decided in that moment not to interrupt the conversation because some conversations are more valuable than any question a journalist might ask and that the conversation she had observed for 30 seconds in the corridor outside the studio was one of them.
She had been a music journalist for 12 years. She recognized the difference. Bob Dylan and Keith Richards have maintained their friendship across four decades. They have appeared together at various events, most significantly at the concert for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 1995, where people who were present described them as inseparable for most of the evening, occupying the same corner of the backstage area and talking with the concentrated attention of people who only have a limited amount of time together and intend to use it
well. Bob Dylan has spoken about Keith Richards in interviews with the specific thoughtful care that Bob Dylan reserves for musicians whose work Bob Dylan considers genuinely important rather than merely culturally prominent. Keith Richards has spoken about Bob Dylan in similar terms with the specific respect of someone who recognizes in another person a commitment to music that goes deeper than career.
Neither Bob Dylan nor Keith Richards has made a public statement specifically about how the friendship began or about the November 1986 interview. Bob Dylan has not mentioned the 11 seconds. Keith Richards has not mentioned the sentence. The interview exists in the archive. The 11 seconds are there. The laugh is there. The two words are there.
What is also there for anyone who watches the interview from its beginning and pays attention to the shift that happens at the 9-minute mark is the specific moment when two people who thought they were appearing on a television program discovered they were actually talking to each other. What Keith Richards said in that one sentence has never been officially reported.
The people who were in the studio that evening, Gerald Sherman, Patricia Wells, the floor crew, the two camera operators, the makeup artist who was watching from the side of the set, have described the sentence in consistent terms. They have described its effect. They have described Bob Dylan’s laugh and Bob Dylan’s silence and Bob Dylan’s two words.
They have not repeated the sentence itself in the specific understanding that the sentence was said between two musicians on a television program and that its power resided in the specific context of that exchange and would not survive removal from it intact. What can be said is this. Keith Richards said something to Bob Dylan about Bob Dylan’s music that used Bob Dylan’s own observation about Keith Richards as its starting point and arrived somewhere that Bob Dylan had not anticipated.
Keith Richards turned Bob Dylan’s assessment 90° and showed Bob Dylan something about the music they had both spent their lives making that Bob Dylan recognized immediately as true. And Bob Dylan said, “You’re right.” Two words said by Bob Dylan in public on live television in 1986 to Keith Richards in response to a single sentence Keith Richards had said about music.
Two words that Gerald Sherman, who had worked with Bob Dylan on two previous occasions, said he had never heard Bob Dylan say in a public forum. Two words that Patricia Wells, who had been interviewing musicians for 12 years, said were the most significant two words she had heard in those 12 years. Not because of their content, but because of who said them and what it cost to say them and what it meant that Keith Richards had produced them in 11 seconds from a conversation that began with Bob Dylan calling Keith Richards’s music derivative. And Keith Richards and
Bob Dylan have been close friends for nearly 40 years. The sentence did its work in 11 seconds on the evening of November 3rd, 1986. The work has been ongoing ever since. If this story moved you, subscribe and leave a comment below. Have you ever said something to someone that turned a potential disagreement into an unexpected and lasting connection? Tell us about it in the comments below.
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