In September of 1983, David Bowie said on live television that Keith Richards had nothing left to offer music. 1 hour and 47 minutes later on the same program, Keith Richards played something that made David Bowie stand up from his seat in the studio audience. David Bowie did not sit back down until the song was finished.
After the broadcast, David Bowie found Keith Richards backstage and said something that Keith Richards has quoted exactly once in a private conversation as the most generous thing one musician has ever said to him. This is the story of the 1 hour and 47 minutes between those two moments. The television program in question was a live music special broadcast on a British network on the evening of September 19th, 1983.
The program had been running for 4 years and had built a reputation as the kind of television event that took music seriously, not as entertainment in the background sense, but as something worth giving an hour and a half of uninterrupted attention to. The format was simple. Performances, conversations, and the specific chemistry that live television produces when genuinely interesting people are placed in the same room and the cameras are allowed to follow what happens.
The program’s producers had assembled for the September 19th broadcast a lineup that included several of the most significant names in British and American music of that era. David Bowie was 46 years old in September of 1983 and had just released Let’s Dance, the most commercially successful album of his career, an album that had taken everything David Bowie had learned in 15 years of deliberate artistic reinvention and applied it to the project of reaching the largest possible audience without surrendering the intelligence
that had always distinguished his work. Let’s Dance had reached number one in multiple countries and produced three consecutive hit singles. David Bowie arrived at the program studio in West London that evening with the specific confidence of a man whose recent decisions had been comprehensively validated by the world.
David Bowie was in the middle of the Serious Moonlight Tour, one of the most successful tours of 1983. David Bowie was, by any measure available in September of 1983, at the peak of his powers and his public standing. Keith Richards was 39 years old in September of 1983. The Rolling Stones had released Undercover earlier that year, an album that had received mixed reviews and that represented in the assessment of the music press at the time, a band that was searching for direction in a changed musical landscape. The Stones had been together
for 21 years. Keith Richards had been playing guitar professionally since 1962. The music press in 1983 had not been kind to the Rolling Stones and the specific language it used was the language of diminishment of a band that had been important and was now less important, that had shaped an era and was now being shaped by it rather than the other way around.
David Bowie was 40 minutes into his conversation with the program’s host when the host asked David Bowie about the current state of rock and roll. It was the kind of question that live television asks because it is open enough to go anywhere and specific enough to have a center. David Bowie answered with the intelligence and precision that characterized David Bowie’s public speech, quickly, structurally, with the specific authority of someone who had spent 15 years thinking carefully about where music was and where it was going. David
Bowie talked about the new landscape. David Bowie talked about synthesizers and electronic production and the way the sonic palette available to musicians in 1983 had expanded beyond anything that had existed when the previous generation had built their careers. David Bowie talked about the artists who were using that expanded palette to make something genuinely new.
David Bowie was specific and compelling and clearly convinced in the way that people are convinced when the evidence of their own experience supports the argument they are making. David Bowie had, after all, just made Let’s Dance. David Bowie had just demonstrated personally that reinvention was possible, that a career could pivot without losing its integrity, that a musician could move toward the mainstream without surrendering the intelligence that had always distinguished the work.
David Bowie was speaking from a position of recent and comprehensive vindication. And then David Bowie said, with the specific casualness of a man making an observation he considers too obvious to require defense, that the guitar-based rock of the previous generation, and David Bowie named Keith Richards specifically as the emblematic figure of that tradition, that thou wilt less thou wilt thou sir.
Is there 10:30 wad? Yes, I will was naive. At a fan. Everything it had to give. David Bowie said that Keith Richards represented a musical vocabulary that had been fully expressed and had nowhere left to go. David Bowie said that what Keith Richards did was important, that the tradition Keith Richards represented had mattered enormously, but that mattering in the past was different from being relevant in the present.
David Bowie said it without malice. David Bowie said it as a fact of musical evolution, the way a scientist states a conclusion that the evidence supports, with the specific confidence of someone who considers the case closed. Two corridors away, Keith Richards was in a dressing room that had a monitor showing the live feed of the program.
Keith Richards heard every word David Bowie said. The producer assigned to Keith Richards dressing room that evening, a young man named Stephen Clark, who was 24 years old and had been working in television for 18 months, said afterward that Keith Richards expression when David Bowie finished speaking was not anger. Keith Richards looked at the monitor for a long moment.
Then Keith Richards looked at his guitar, which was leaning against the wall beside the dressing table. Then Keith Richards picked up the guitar and began to play very quietly to himself, not for the monitor, not for Stephen Clark, but in the specific private way that Keith Richards played when Keith Richards was working something out.
Keith Richards played quietly in the dressing room for the next hour and 43 minutes while the program continued on the monitor. Keith Richards watched David Bowie perform. David Bowie was extraordinary that evening, sharp and controlled and in full command of the stage, everything that Let’s Dance had promised a live Bowie performance would be in 1983.
Keith Richards watched and listened with the specific professional attention of a musician assessing another musician’s work without the defensiveness that the circumstances might have excused. Keith Richards watched two other acts perform. Keith Richards watched the host conduct two more interviews. Keith Richards did not appear agitated during any of this.
Stephen Clark, who remained in the dressing room for the full hour and 43 minutes, said afterward that Keith Richards seemed less disturbed by what David Bowie had said than focused by it, that the statement had functioned not as an insult, but as a brief, specific, and useful piece of information about what Keith Richards needed to do when Keith Richards walked onto that stage.
Keith Richards appeared, according to Stephen Clark, more concentrated than Stephen Clark had seen anyone appear in 18 months of television production. The concentration of a man who has been given something specific to respond to and is deciding, with the full weight of 30 years of experience, exactly how to respond to it.
At 9:47, Stephen Clark told Keith Richards it was 4 minutes to stage. Keith Richards stood up. Keith Richards put the guitar strap over his shoulder. Keith Richards walked to the door of the dressing room. Then Keith Richards turned around, walked back to the dressing table, and spent 45 seconds making a single adjustment to the tuning of the guitar’s B string.
Stephen Clark watched this and said nothing. Keith Richards nodded once, not to Stephen Clark, but to himself, and walked out the door. Keith Richards walked onto the stage of the program at 9:51 in the evening of September 19th, 1983. David Bowie was in the studio audience, seated in the second row.
David Bowie had been there for the previous two performances and was still there, which was not required of any guest, but which David Bowie had chosen because David Bowie took live music seriously enough to stay and watch it even when the cameras were not pointed at David Bowie. What Keith Richards played in the next 6 minutes and 14 seconds has never been officially documented.
The broadcast exists in the archive, and the people who have seen it describe it in consistent terms. Keith Richards played without introduction and without announcement. The program’s host had introduced Keith Richards by name and stepped back, and Keith Richards had walked to the microphone and begun without any further ceremony.
What Keith Richards played was rooted in the blues tradition that Keith Richards had spent 30 years studying and developing and making his own. The tradition that David Bowie had described 90 minutes earlier as fully expressed and finished. It was not finished. What Keith Richards demonstrated in 6 minutes and 14 seconds on a live television stage in London in September of 1983 was that the tradition David Bowie had declared complete was capable of producing something that night in that room by those specific hands on that specific instrument that
nobody who was present had heard before. Not a new form, not a reinvention in David Bowie’s sense of the word. Something older and deeper than reinvention. The demonstration that a tradition is not finished when someone decides it is finished, but only when it has nothing left to say, and that Keith Richards had things left to say.
David Bowie stood up from his seat in the second row at the 42nd mark of the performance. The people on either side of David Bowie noticed this, and some of them stood as well, not because they had decided to, but because the music was doing something that made sitting feel like the wrong response.
David Bowie did not sit back down. David Bowie stood for the remaining 5 minutes and 32 seconds with the specific quality of attention that Keith Richards had described to Stephen Clark in the 4 minutes before walking onto the stage as the only thing a performer can reasonably ask from an audience. Not enthusiasm, not applause, but the willingness to be fully present with what is happening rather than waiting for it to confirm what you already thought.
What David Bowie was present with in those 5 minutes and 32 seconds was the demonstration that the musical vocabulary David Bowie had declared finished 90 minutes earlier was capable of producing in the hands of Keith Richards something that required David Bowie to stand up. The tradition was not finished.
Keith Richards was not finished. The evidence was in the room. When Keith Richards finished the studio audience responded with the kind of applause that is different from ordinary applause, the applause of people who have heard something they did not expect and are expressing recognition rather than politeness.
David Bowie was the first person in the room to start clapping. This detail was visible in the broadcast to anyone watching closely enough, and it was the detail that people who saw the broadcast live mentioned when they described the evening to people who had not seen it. After the program ended Keith Richards was standing in the backstage corridor when David Bowie found him.
David Bowie had come from the studio audience through the side door and had walked directly to where Keith Richards was standing with the purposefulness of someone who knows where they are going and why. The backstage corridor at that point was moderately busy, crew members moving equipment, production staff in the controlled rush of a broadcast that has just concluded, David Bowie and Keith Richards stood to one side of the main traffic.
Keith Richards has never discussed what David Bowie said in that conversation. The conversation has been described by one other person who was present at its edges, a production assistant named Helen Marsh who was 22 years old and had been working her first live television broadcast and who was close enough to observe the two men but not close enough to hear the words.
As lasting approximately four minutes, conducted with the quiet intensity of two people who are saying something important and are both aware that what they are saying is important. Helen Marsh said that neither man raised his voice. Helen Marsh said that David Bowie did most of the talking in the first two minutes and that Keith Richards did most of the talking in the second two minutes.
Helen Marsh said that when the conversation ended, both men were nodding. Helen Marsh said that Keith Richards looked like a man who has been given something he did not know he needed until it was given. Keith Richards quoted what David Bowie said that evening exactly once to a friend named Alan Parsons who was a musician and producer and who had known Keith Richards for several years by that point and understood the context in which the quote was being offered.
Alan Parsons has described the conversation without repeating the specific words because Alan Parsons understood that Keith Richards had shared it in the specific confidence of a private conversation between two people who trusted each other and that the privacy was intentional and deserved to be maintained.
What Alan Parsons has said is that the words David Bowie said to Keith Richards in that backstage corridor were generous in a way that cost something, not the easy generosity of a compliment from a position of security, but the harder generosity of someone who had said something publicly that was wrong and was saying so privately to the person it had been wrong about.
Alan Parsons said the words acknowledged that being wrong about a musician of Keith Richards’ standing is not a small thing, and that acknowledging it directly, rather than allowing it to go unaddressed, was the correct response. Alan Parsons said that Keith Richards did not appear surprised by what David Bowie said. Alan Parsons said Keith Richards appeared instead grateful, which is not a state Alan Parsons had associated with Keith Richards before that conversation.
David Bowie and Keith Richards appeared together on two subsequent occasions in the years that followed, and people who observed them together on those occasions have noted a specific quality to their interactions, a mutual respect that seemed to carry something in it beyond the ordinary professional regard of two people who had known each other a long time.
Neither man ever discussed the September 1983 evening publicly. David Bowie never mentioned it in any interview. Keith Richards never mentioned it. The evening exists in the broadcast archive, in the memory of Steven Clark and Helen Marsh and the studio audience who were present, and in whatever Keith Richards carries from the four minutes he spent in a backstage corridor with David Bowie after the program ended.
David Bowie died in January of 2016. Keith Richards learned of David Bowie’s death from the same news that the rest of the world learned it from, and whatever Keith Richards thought in that moment is not something Keith Richards has shared. What is known is that when Keith Richards was asked in an interview conducted several months after David Bowie’s death to name the musicians whose opinion had mattered most to him across his career, Keith Richards included David Bowie in the answer.
Keith Richards did not elaborate. Keith Richards moved on to the next question. Some answers require no elaboration at all. The tradition David Bowie declared finished in September of 1983 is not finished. Keith Richards is still playing. The 6 minutes and 14 seconds are still in the archive. David Bowie stood up at the 40-second mark and did not sit back down until it was over.
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QQ4 Bob Dylan and Keith Richards have been close friends for nearly 40 years. The friendship began on a live television program in November of 1986 in the 11 seconds after Bob Dylan called Keith Richards music derivative on camera. Keith Richard’s response to that assessment, one sentence said without anger, without performance, with the specific directness of a man who has nothing to prove and knows it made Bob Dylan laugh.
Then made Bob Dylan go quiet. then made Bob Dylan say two words that people who know Bob Dylan say he almost never said to anyone. This is the story of those 11 seconds and the 40 years that followed them. The program was a live music interview special broadcast on an American network on the evening of November 3rd, 1986. The format was simple.
Two musicians, a host, an hour of conversation about music and the state of it. The producers had assembled the pairing of Bob Dylan and Keith Richards with the specific calculation of television producers who understand that two people with equally strong and potentially incompatible views about what music is and what it should do will produce better television than two people who agree about everything.
The calculation was correct, though not in the way the producers had anticipated. Bob Dylan was 45 years old in November of 1986. Bob Dylan had released Empire Burlesque the previous year and had been on the road for most of the intervening period as part of the True Confessions tour with Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers.
Bob Dylan was in November of 1986 in one of the most prolific and restless phases of a career that had consisted almost entirely of prolific and restless phases. A career that had moved through folk, rock, country, gospel, and back again, that had been declared finished at least six times by the music press, and at each time continued with the serene indifference of a river to the opinions of people standing on its banks.
Bob Dylan had been redefining what music could be. Since 1962, Bob Dylan had invented and reinvented himself so many times that reinvention had become his defining characteristic, not in the superficial sense of a performer changing costumes, but in the deeper sense of a musician who had never allowed his work to settle into a form that could be anticipated or categorized from the outside.
Bob Dylan understood influence and originality and the relationship between them better than almost anyone alive in 1986. Bob Dylan had spent 24 years thinking carefully and specifically about where music came from and where music was going and what it meant that those two things were always in constant conversation with each other.
Keith Richards was 42 years old in November of 1986. Keith Richards had been playing guitar professionally since 1962. Keith Richards had built a career on a foundation of American blues and rhythm and blues. A foundation that Keith Richards had studied with the systematic devotion of someone who understood that the tradition he was building on was not incidental to the music he was making, but essential to it.
that you could not understand what Keith Richards did without understanding where Keith Richards had come from and what Keith Richards had been listening to since he was a teenager in Dartford with American Import Records and a secondhand guitar and no teacher except the recordings themselves. Keith Richards had never pretended otherwise. Keith Richards had in fact spent considerable energy across his career making the lineage explicit, naming the artists, citing the recordings, insisting on the acknowledgement of influence that the mainstream music
industry had a long history of suppressing or ignoring or crediting to the wrong people. If anything, Keith Richards was more transparent about his sources than most musicians of his generation. Keith Richards had always said openly that the Rolling Stones came directly from the blues, that Muddy Waters and Robert Johnson and the specific tradition of the Mississippi Delta were not background influences, but foundational ones.
The music Keith Richards made was in direct and sustained conversation with that tradition, something Keith Richards considered not a limitation, but a responsibility and a form of respect. The interview had been running for 8 minutes when the host asked Bob Dylan about the current state of rock and roll.
Bob Dylan answered with the density and the indirection that characterized Bob Dylan’s responses to direct questions, turning the question over, approaching it from an unexpected angle, finding his way to what he actually thought through a series of observations that moved like a river rather than a road. Bob Dylan was not a straightforward interview subject.
Bob Dylan had been asked about rock and roll in hundreds of interviews across 24 years and had developed the habit of treating the question as an invitation to think out loud rather than a request for a prepared position. The producer Gerald Sherman said afterward that in the first 8 minutes of the interview, he had been slightly anxious, not because anything was going wrong, but because nothing was going anywhere in particular yet.
The interview had the feeling of two conversations happening simultaneously. Bob Dylan’s internal one and the external one visible to the cameras. And Gerald Sherman was not certain in those first eight minutes that the two conversations would converge into something. Bob Dylan talked about influence. Bob Dylan talked about originality.
Bob Dylan talked about the difference between music that absorbed a tradition and transformed it and music that absorbed a tradition and reproduced it. And then Bob Dylan made his assessment. And then Bob Dylan said with the precision of a man making a musical assessment rather than a personal judgment that the Rolling Stones work, and Bob Dylan was specific, naming Keith Richards as the guitarist whose approach he was discussing was derivative in a way that Bob Dylan found limiting.
Bob Dylan said it without hostility. Bob Dylan said it as a technical observation about the relationship between source material and the work that came from it. Bob Dylan said that Keith Richards played the blues the way the blues had already been played, rather than using the blues as a starting point for something that had not yet been played.
Keith Richards had been listening to this with the specific attention Keith Richards gave to things being said about music by people who knew music. Keith Richards did not interrupt. Keith Richards did not shift in his chair or display any of the visible signals of a person preparing a defensive response. Keith Richards listened to Bob Dylan’s complete observation all the way to its conclusion without interrupting and without displaying any visible signal of preparing a response.
Then Keith Richards said one sentence. The sentence was not a rebuttal. The sentence did not defend Keith Richards music or argue for its originality or challenge Bob Dylan’s characterization of what the blues meant in the context of rock and roll. The sentence was something else entirely, something that required a specific kind of confidence to say.
The confidence of a person who has spent long enough thinking about the same things as the person they are talking to that they can locate the exact point where their thinking diverges and say something useful about that point rather than simply defending their own position. The sentence acknowledged everything Bob Dylan had said, the assessment, the distinction Bob Dylan was drawing, the specific musical concern underlying the observation, and then turned it 90°.
Keith Richards took Bob Dylan’s own framework, the one Bob Dylan had used to analyze Keith Richards relationship to the blues tradition, and applied it back to Bob Dylan’s work with the same precision Bob Dylan had used to apply it to Keith Richards. Spare aimed. The sentence asked Bob Dylan something about Bob Dylan’s own music, about the relationship between Bob Dylan’s sources and Bob Dylan’s output that Bob Dylan had not been asked on television before.
The sentence did not attack. The sentence illuminated. Bob Dylan laughed. The laugh was not the polite laugh of someone responding to a joke. The laugh was the involuntary laugh of someone who has been genuinely surprised. The specific kind of surprise that a person of exceptional intelligence experiences when someone else’s intelligence exceeds their expectations.
Bob Dylan laughed for 4 seconds. Then Bob Dylan stopped laughing. Then Bob Dylan was quiet for 3 seconds in the way that Bob Dylan was quiet when Bob Dylan was thinking rather than performing thought. Then Bob Dylan said, “You’re right.” The producer in the booth, a man named Gerald Sherman, who had been working in television for 14 years, said afterward that in 14 years of live television production, he had never heard Bob Dylan say those two words in a public forum.
Gerald Sherman said he had worked with Bob Dylan on two previous occasions and had observed Bob Dylan in numerous other contexts and that you’re right was not a phrase that Bob Dylan deployed easily or often because Bob Dylan had spent 24 years being right about music in ways that other people eventually caught up with. And the experience of being right ahead of everyone else does not generally produce a man who says you’re right readily when someone else makes a point.
The host of the program, a journalist named Patricia Wells, who had been interviewing musicians for 12 years, said afterward that the 11 seconds between Bob Dylan’s assessment and Bob Dylan saying, “You’re right,” were the most extraordinary 11 seconds of television she had been present for. Patricia Wells said that what she witnessed in those 11 seconds was not a debate or a confrontation or a celebrity exchange of competing opinions.
Patricia Wells said what she witnessed was one musician recognizing another musician as an equal, which was in the specific context of Bob Dylan in 1986, not something that happened in public very often. The interview continued for another 42 minutes after those 11 seconds. The conversation between Bob Dylan and Keith Richards in the remaining 42 minutes was described by everyone who watched it as fundamentally different from the first 8 minutes.
The host, Patricia Wells, who had been conducting music interviews for 12 years and understood the difference between the performance of conversation and actual conversation, said that at approximately the 9-minute mark, something shifted in the studio. That the formal interview, architecture dissolved, and what replaced it was something less structured and more genuine.
Bob Dylan and Keith Richards talked about influence and originality and the blues and what it meant to build on a tradition without being consumed by it. They talked about specific recordings and specific musicians with the specificity of two people who had spent their entire adult lives thinking about these things and rarely found another person who had thought about them with equivalent care.
They talked about where music came from and where music was going and whether those two questions were actually one question or two. Patricia Wells said afterward that she had asked approximately four questions in the remaining 42 minutes because Bob Dylan and Keith Richards did not require questions. They required only a room and a camera and the shared understanding that what they were saying together was worth recording carefully.
She said it was the best interview she had ever conducted and that she had conducted the smallest part of it. After the program, Bob Dylan and Keith Richards were in the corridor outside the studio when the host Patricia Wells passed them. Patricia Wells said she did not stop because she did not want to interrupt.
She observed them for approximately 30 seconds from a distance. She said they were talking with the ease of people who had known each other for years rather than people who had met for the first time 2 hours earlier. She said that something had shifted between them during the broadcast that the broadcast had made permanent rather than temporary.
She continued down the corridor and did not look back. She said in her account of that evening that she had decided in that moment not to interrupt the conversation because some conversations are more valuable than any question a journalist might ask and that the conversation she had observed for 30 seconds in the corridor outside the studio was one of them.
She had been a music journalist for 12 years. She recognized the difference. Bob Dylan and Keith Richards have maintained their friendship across four decades. They have appeared together at various events, most significantly at the concert for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 1995, where people who were present described them as inseparable for most of the evening, occupying the same corner of the backstage area and talking with the concentrated attention of people who only have a limited amount of time together and intend to use it
well. Bob Dylan has spoken about Keith Richards in interviews with the specific thoughtful care that Bob Dylan reserves for musicians whose work Bob Dylan considers genuinely important rather than merely culturally prominent. Keith Richards has spoken about Bob Dylan in similar terms with the specific respect of someone who recognizes in another person a commitment to music that goes deeper than career.
Neither Bob Dylan nor Keith Richards has made a public statement specifically about how the friendship began or about the November 1986 interview. Bob Dylan has not mentioned the 11 seconds. Keith Richards has not mentioned the sentence. The interview exists in the archive. The 11 seconds are there. The laugh is there. The two words are there.
What is also there for anyone who watches the interview from its beginning and pays attention to the shift that happens at the 9-minute mark is the specific moment when two people who thought they were appearing on a television program discovered they were actually talking to each other. What Keith Richards said in that one sentence has never been officially reported.
The people who were in the studio that evening, Gerald Sherman, Patricia Wells, the floor crew, the two camera operators, the makeup artist who was watching from the side of the set, have described the sentence in consistent terms. They have described its effect. They have described Bob Dylan’s laugh and Bob Dylan’s silence and Bob Dylan’s two words.
They have not repeated the sentence itself in the specific understanding that the sentence was said between two musicians on a television program and that its power resided in the specific context of that exchange and would not survive removal from it intact. What can be said is this. Keith Richards said something to Bob Dylan about Bob Dylan’s music that used Bob Dylan’s own observation about Keith Richards as its starting point and arrived somewhere that Bob Dylan had not anticipated.
Keith Richards turned Bob Dylan’s assessment 90° and showed Bob Dylan something about the music they had both spent their lives making that Bob Dylan recognized immediately as true. And Bob Dylan said, “You’re right.” Two words said by Bob Dylan in public on live television in 1986 to Keith Richards in response to a single sentence Keith Richards had said about music.
Two words that Gerald Sherman, who had worked with Bob Dylan on two previous occasions, said he had never heard Bob Dylan say in a public forum. Two words that Patricia Wells, who had been interviewing musicians for 12 years, said were the most significant two words she had heard in those 12 years. Not because of their content, but because of who said them and what it cost to say them and what it meant that Keith Richards had produced them in 11 seconds from a conversation that began with Bob Dylan calling Keith Richards’s music derivative. And Keith Richards and
Bob Dylan have been close friends for nearly 40 years. The sentence did its work in 11 seconds on the evening of November 3rd, 1986. The work has been ongoing ever since. If this story moved you, subscribe and leave a comment below. Have you ever said something to someone that turned a potential disagreement into an unexpected and lasting connection? Tell us about it in the comments below.
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