In the rural area of the Guaviar department, specifically in the village of La Siberia, clashes were recorded between the dissidents of Calarcá and the dissidents of Iván Mordisco. Apparently, one of these groups that was camping in the area was surprised by about 250 men from the ranks of the Armando Ríos structure under the command of Iván Mordisco.
Amid these fierce clashes and according to preliminary information, there are 48 fatalities, among them, according to Redmas Noticias, would be the main leader of the structure, Armando Ríos. This would be the alias Negro Primo. The commander of the military forces, accompanied by the military leadership and the Minister of Defense, held an extraordinary security council meeting where they confirmed a humanitarian commission that will enter the country to retrieve the bodies of the victims.
coordinating all necessary actions for the safe entry of the humanitarian commissions in charge of the extraction of the bodies. The confrontations recorded in the rural area of the Guaviare department correspond to clashes between criminal structures: Isaías Carvajal of the Cararcá faction and the criminal structure Armando Ríos belonging to the faction of alias Joan Mordisco.
Furthermore, General Hugo López stated that these were criminal disputes over drug trafficking routes. They have deployed troops over the sectors of Charras, Puerto Alvira, Tomachipán, in order to guarantee the protection of the civilian population and indigenous communities and also support the humanitarian work for the extraction of the bodies.
However, he confirmed that a special security deployment is already in place for this department in order to guarantee the security of the elections. There is no displacement of the civilian population from the sector, considering that the confrontations occurred south of the Guaviare River on the area of the BA el Pipiral.
We have a presence and territorial control, with troops deployed at all 47 polling stations in the department. These confrontations have been recorded in areas far removed from the places where democratic processes are taking place. For now, the troops of the Army’s 22nd Brigade maintain a strategic presence in the sector and carry out tactical control and security tasks on the cattle trail that leads to Caño Negro, Charras, Barranco Colorado and surrounding villages with the purpose of strengthening the institutional presence.
Well, and speaking of what’s happening in this department, we here at Redmas Noticias greet the mayor of San José del Guaviare, Willy Alejandro Rodríguez. Mayor, welcome. Thank you for taking a few minutes here with us at this time when we know you surely have many things to attend to. Welcome, Paula.
A special greeting to you all here from the capital of the Guaviare department. Well, it’s not good news for our region, but it’s the reality that a department and our municipality of San José del Guaviare are experiencing in the remote areas, in villages that belong to the township of Charras Boquerón. Mayor, I wanted to ask you what has happened to that humanitarian commission that was already being announced by the military forces, the one that is going to be in charge of extracting the bodies.
We’re talking about 48, it’s unknown if this number might increase once we’re on the ground. They were able to enter. Well, since last night, in a security council meeting held here in the department’s capital with all the local authorities, a humanitarian commission was established and has already traveled to the site where these clashes occurred.
It is a site far from the municipal capital, more than 140 km from our municipality, and corresponds to the rural areas that you have mentioned. As a result of these clashes between dissident groups, 48 deaths have indeed been reported. This humanitarian commission, in coordination with international organizations, the UN, MAPOEA, the Regional Ombudsman’s Office, the Mayor’s Office, the Governor’s Office, and relief organizations, is preparing to recover the bodies and transport them to the capital of the Guaviar department so that
the authorities can carry out the necessary identification procedures. We regret what is happening, but it is a reality, I insist, that this area, so far removed from the municipal capital, is part of the jurisdiction of San José del Guaviar. Mayor, good evening. One view of what is happening in Guaviare states that it is this territorial dispute between the dissidents of alias Calarcá and alias Mordisco, in which the State does not appear to have been neutral, at least the central government, because it maintains a willingness to
dialogue with alias Calarcá and relentlessly pursues the dissidents of Iván Mordisco. This imbalance in the Hueviare department has been noticeable in a relative strengthening of alias Calarcá. What is that reality like there? Well, what I can say is that we haven’t identified an imbalance, but we have identified a concern among community authorities, where two dissident groups are currently fighting over these road corridors.
This creates a risk for the community, leading to confrontations between these two irregular groups and the resulting in the deaths of members of one or both sides, to put it simply. These groups now have a presence in a region of the country, specifically in the department of GET. That’s why the current situation, with these groups retreating into the deepest parts of the Guaviar department, is so concerning, and this unfortunate outcome is also a matter of human lives.
It puts local authorities in a strategic position of strain, trying to find a way to address such a complex situation. That’s why, in a way, we’re facing the situation head-on, which, while fortunate, also generates concern for the population, regardless of how far away they are from the municipal capital. ” Wear and tear” is the word you use, Mayor, to describe the situation you have to live through as local leaders.
How much more present or permanent is the presence of military forces in this area and in other areas known to be sensitive in the territory? In other words, do you have ongoing support from the national government on this matter? Well, I recognize that through the public force, through the presence of the Army, the Navy and the Police in this territory, there has been reinforcement, but also the complexity of the dispersed, of the number of square kilometers that must be covered in the territory. We are four municipalities in
a single department, and that makes access and presence throughout the territory increasingly difficult. But I must also state that we have coordinated, and we also want to state that the electoral process has been guaranteed for this Sunday. In the populated centers, at the different polling stations, in the municipal capitals of San José Ret Retorno, Calam and Miraflores, the authorities have arranged security so that citizens, the inhabitants, can exercise their right to vote.
However, in these remote villages there is fear and difficulty that some residents may be able to travel on Sunday to exercise their right to vote. Very well, then, Mayor Willy Alejandro Rodríguez, Mayor of San José del Guaviar, and thank you very much for being with us here on Redmas Noticias giving us the details of the latest news from this department.
Good evening, Paula. Thank you so much. But I must also state that we also issued a message from this department that, given our condition, with the intention of seeking to make our environmental and tourist wealth an economic asset, there are people willing and committed to continue working towards a more relevant social justice for the population and, above all, to seek a territory of peace.
A hug for you all and thank you very much for the opportunity. A hug, Mayor. And it’s true, we take that message to heart. There are more of us who are good. And earlier we spoke with the Minister of Defense, who referred to the minors who would be among the victims and also to the security guarantees for the elections in this territory.
This is an issue that interests all Colombians and, of course, the people who live there in this department. Following the clashes between FAR dissidents, led by alias Iván Mordisco and alias Calarcá in the department of Guaviare, the Minister of Defense explained the reasons for the clashes between these armed groups, which according to military intelligence are related to territorial control, illegal mining, extortion, and drug trafficking.
Since Tuesday around 4 pm, according to preliminary information we have from these confrontations, based on what the community has told us and which has been transmitted directly to our military leadership in San José Guaviare, the general commander, the army commander, the information we have received is that there would be at least 48 fatalities.
The minister confirmed that amid these clashes, it is very likely that there will be underage victims. Many were recruited from Cauca and taken there to die, even anonymously, far from their homes. This denotes this crime and offense against humanity that both the criminal Calarcá and the criminal Mordisco have been committing by recruiting minors.
In addition, we asked the minister about the deployment of the army in the area. Although the troops are in the department, they have not been able to reach the site of the confrontation due to the bad weather conditions and its rugged geography. We tried to do it by air, but the bad weather didn’t allow it.
So the troops that were closest and did not compromise the security of Plaza de la Democracia were deployed there, but we have information that there are still criminals in that area. that there are explosives and therefore they must use all the proper procedures to get to that point. Furthermore, he confirmed that security will be guaranteed during the elections despite the constraints many residents have faced.
We have deployed the security configuration in the area with depth so that they can freely make their choices. Many people, and it’s clear and logical to understand that. They say, “Where there are criminal groups, there is obviously coercion. We have seen how some criminals produce criminal licenses for the type of extortion.
” He even expressed concern about misinformation on social media. From the Ministry of Defense, we see that one of the biggest threats we face is disinformation. It is the use of social media with humiliating language, with offensive language, with disrespectful language, with language that seeks to disqualify the other with lies.
This is not how democracy is won. Defense Minister Pedro Sánchez assured that for now the deployment of troops throughout the national territory will continue under the democracy plan for the upcoming elections and the army will continue with operations against these armed groups. Well, what’s happening in the Guaviare department is extremely difficult, extremely complex, and very worrying, because we have several elements that come together in the same package, Mauricio, and that become the perfect breeding ground for a situation that gets out
of control. with civilians caught in the middle, among criminals, minors among the victims, that is, recruitment that continues. Besides that, the mayor also told us, I don’t know if you noticed, that it’s a very complex area where these kinds of situations are occurring. It’s difficult for the military to arrive; it’s not so easy to react, or at least not so quickly or so soon.
And all of this creates fertile ground for illicit economies, which are really the driving force behind these confrontations, with drug trafficking routes being fought over, illegal mining, extortion, and other issues. That’s right, Paula. Let’s start with the idea of the distance of this district where these fatal confrontations are taking place and have taken place, fatal because of the number of Colombians involved, they are all Colombians.
Some, of course, were under the aegis of alias Calarcá, others under Iván Mordisco, all involved in illegality, sorry, but all Colombians and therefore, an event like this does not have any positive view, as some on social media have tried to suggest. Well, this district is about 6 hours from San José del Guaviare, so you can see how far away and how difficult it is to get there.
That has a good side, that distance, a bad side, the difficulty of reaching what will be the Ombudsman’s Office, what will be different eh special missions to remove the bodies of the victims, but it has a good side, small, but a good side after all, it is far from the populated centers. This means that the climate of violence experienced in that district would not, in principle, threaten the elections next Sunday.
There are other factors that influence these elections, of course, which is that outlaw groups have been promoting among the population that one candidate, that another, that do this. People in many violent areas of the country will not vote freely. Yesterday we said on this news program that there may be approximately 370,000 to 380,000 people who voted in the parliamentary elections, perhaps pressured by groups outside the law.
Hopefully that number won’t be repeated, but it ‘s very likely that something similar will happen. But in this case, these confrontations are far from the elections, far from the polling stations, far from the populated centers. But there is one element that is fundamental and that I think we have to assimilate, especially now that there is going to be a change of government.
We don’t know who the next president will be , but one would expect a rethinking of the Colombian state’s security strategy. Conflict specialists have identified three types of regions in the country: those in which the State controls the territory and the public force establishes that control of the territory through the use of force and through the guarantee of security.
These are other regions where there is dispute between outlaw groups over drug trafficking routes, drug crops, etc., etc. That is the case in San José del Guaviar and others where one of the illegal groups has already triumphed and the State is not present. These third parties, in which there is a kind of para-government of criminal groups outside the law that collect extortion payments, which some see as illegal taxes, establish that there is security for all people as long as they provide it, functioning as a para-state. And apart from that, which
includes schedules for who enters, who leaves, and so on, they are the ones with the lowest rates of violence. Someone is wielding power. What the State does not exercise , criminals do. The most conflictive areas, the areas where the population is suffering the most, where there are higher levels of violence, are the intermediate ones, those where there is no state control and not even control by a single illegal agent, but rather disputes for control of illegality.
That is unfortunately the case in large areas of Guaviare.
QQ4 Bob Dylan and Keith Richards have been close friends for nearly 40 years. The friendship began on a live television program in November of 1986 in the 11 seconds after Bob Dylan called Keith Richards music derivative on camera. Keith Richard’s response to that assessment, one sentence said without anger, without performance, with the specific directness of a man who has nothing to prove and knows it made Bob Dylan laugh.
Then made Bob Dylan go quiet. then made Bob Dylan say two words that people who know Bob Dylan say he almost never said to anyone. This is the story of those 11 seconds and the 40 years that followed them. The program was a live music interview special broadcast on an American network on the evening of November 3rd, 1986. The format was simple.
Two musicians, a host, an hour of conversation about music and the state of it. The producers had assembled the pairing of Bob Dylan and Keith Richards with the specific calculation of television producers who understand that two people with equally strong and potentially incompatible views about what music is and what it should do will produce better television than two people who agree about everything.
The calculation was correct, though not in the way the producers had anticipated. Bob Dylan was 45 years old in November of 1986. Bob Dylan had released Empire Burlesque the previous year and had been on the road for most of the intervening period as part of the True Confessions tour with Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers.
Bob Dylan was in November of 1986 in one of the most prolific and restless phases of a career that had consisted almost entirely of prolific and restless phases. A career that had moved through folk, rock, country, gospel, and back again, that had been declared finished at least six times by the music press, and at each time continued with the serene indifference of a river to the opinions of people standing on its banks.
Bob Dylan had been redefining what music could be. Since 1962, Bob Dylan had invented and reinvented himself so many times that reinvention had become his defining characteristic, not in the superficial sense of a performer changing costumes, but in the deeper sense of a musician who had never allowed his work to settle into a form that could be anticipated or categorized from the outside.
Bob Dylan understood influence and originality and the relationship between them better than almost anyone alive in 1986. Bob Dylan had spent 24 years thinking carefully and specifically about where music came from and where music was going and what it meant that those two things were always in constant conversation with each other.
Keith Richards was 42 years old in November of 1986. Keith Richards had been playing guitar professionally since 1962. Keith Richards had built a career on a foundation of American blues and rhythm and blues. A foundation that Keith Richards had studied with the systematic devotion of someone who understood that the tradition he was building on was not incidental to the music he was making, but essential to it.
that you could not understand what Keith Richards did without understanding where Keith Richards had come from and what Keith Richards had been listening to since he was a teenager in Dartford with American Import Records and a secondhand guitar and no teacher except the recordings themselves. Keith Richards had never pretended otherwise. Keith Richards had in fact spent considerable energy across his career making the lineage explicit, naming the artists, citing the recordings, insisting on the acknowledgement of influence that the mainstream music
industry had a long history of suppressing or ignoring or crediting to the wrong people. If anything, Keith Richards was more transparent about his sources than most musicians of his generation. Keith Richards had always said openly that the Rolling Stones came directly from the blues, that Muddy Waters and Robert Johnson and the specific tradition of the Mississippi Delta were not background influences, but foundational ones.
The music Keith Richards made was in direct and sustained conversation with that tradition, something Keith Richards considered not a limitation, but a responsibility and a form of respect. The interview had been running for 8 minutes when the host asked Bob Dylan about the current state of rock and roll.
Bob Dylan answered with the density and the indirection that characterized Bob Dylan’s responses to direct questions, turning the question over, approaching it from an unexpected angle, finding his way to what he actually thought through a series of observations that moved like a river rather than a road. Bob Dylan was not a straightforward interview subject.
Bob Dylan had been asked about rock and roll in hundreds of interviews across 24 years and had developed the habit of treating the question as an invitation to think out loud rather than a request for a prepared position. The producer Gerald Sherman said afterward that in the first 8 minutes of the interview, he had been slightly anxious, not because anything was going wrong, but because nothing was going anywhere in particular yet.
The interview had the feeling of two conversations happening simultaneously. Bob Dylan’s internal one and the external one visible to the cameras. And Gerald Sherman was not certain in those first eight minutes that the two conversations would converge into something. Bob Dylan talked about influence. Bob Dylan talked about originality.
Bob Dylan talked about the difference between music that absorbed a tradition and transformed it and music that absorbed a tradition and reproduced it. And then Bob Dylan made his assessment. And then Bob Dylan said with the precision of a man making a musical assessment rather than a personal judgment that the Rolling Stones work, and Bob Dylan was specific, naming Keith Richards as the guitarist whose approach he was discussing was derivative in a way that Bob Dylan found limiting.
Bob Dylan said it without hostility. Bob Dylan said it as a technical observation about the relationship between source material and the work that came from it. Bob Dylan said that Keith Richards played the blues the way the blues had already been played, rather than using the blues as a starting point for something that had not yet been played.
Keith Richards had been listening to this with the specific attention Keith Richards gave to things being said about music by people who knew music. Keith Richards did not interrupt. Keith Richards did not shift in his chair or display any of the visible signals of a person preparing a defensive response. Keith Richards listened to Bob Dylan’s complete observation all the way to its conclusion without interrupting and without displaying any visible signal of preparing a response.
Then Keith Richards said one sentence. The sentence was not a rebuttal. The sentence did not defend Keith Richards music or argue for its originality or challenge Bob Dylan’s characterization of what the blues meant in the context of rock and roll. The sentence was something else entirely, something that required a specific kind of confidence to say.
The confidence of a person who has spent long enough thinking about the same things as the person they are talking to that they can locate the exact point where their thinking diverges and say something useful about that point rather than simply defending their own position. The sentence acknowledged everything Bob Dylan had said, the assessment, the distinction Bob Dylan was drawing, the specific musical concern underlying the observation, and then turned it 90°.
Keith Richards took Bob Dylan’s own framework, the one Bob Dylan had used to analyze Keith Richards relationship to the blues tradition, and applied it back to Bob Dylan’s work with the same precision Bob Dylan had used to apply it to Keith Richards. Spare aimed. The sentence asked Bob Dylan something about Bob Dylan’s own music, about the relationship between Bob Dylan’s sources and Bob Dylan’s output that Bob Dylan had not been asked on television before.
The sentence did not attack. The sentence illuminated. Bob Dylan laughed. The laugh was not the polite laugh of someone responding to a joke. The laugh was the involuntary laugh of someone who has been genuinely surprised. The specific kind of surprise that a person of exceptional intelligence experiences when someone else’s intelligence exceeds their expectations.
Bob Dylan laughed for 4 seconds. Then Bob Dylan stopped laughing. Then Bob Dylan was quiet for 3 seconds in the way that Bob Dylan was quiet when Bob Dylan was thinking rather than performing thought. Then Bob Dylan said, “You’re right.” The producer in the booth, a man named Gerald Sherman, who had been working in television for 14 years, said afterward that in 14 years of live television production, he had never heard Bob Dylan say those two words in a public forum.
Gerald Sherman said he had worked with Bob Dylan on two previous occasions and had observed Bob Dylan in numerous other contexts and that you’re right was not a phrase that Bob Dylan deployed easily or often because Bob Dylan had spent 24 years being right about music in ways that other people eventually caught up with. And the experience of being right ahead of everyone else does not generally produce a man who says you’re right readily when someone else makes a point.
The host of the program, a journalist named Patricia Wells, who had been interviewing musicians for 12 years, said afterward that the 11 seconds between Bob Dylan’s assessment and Bob Dylan saying, “You’re right,” were the most extraordinary 11 seconds of television she had been present for. Patricia Wells said that what she witnessed in those 11 seconds was not a debate or a confrontation or a celebrity exchange of competing opinions.
Patricia Wells said what she witnessed was one musician recognizing another musician as an equal, which was in the specific context of Bob Dylan in 1986, not something that happened in public very often. The interview continued for another 42 minutes after those 11 seconds. The conversation between Bob Dylan and Keith Richards in the remaining 42 minutes was described by everyone who watched it as fundamentally different from the first 8 minutes.
The host, Patricia Wells, who had been conducting music interviews for 12 years and understood the difference between the performance of conversation and actual conversation, said that at approximately the 9-minute mark, something shifted in the studio. That the formal interview, architecture dissolved, and what replaced it was something less structured and more genuine.
Bob Dylan and Keith Richards talked about influence and originality and the blues and what it meant to build on a tradition without being consumed by it. They talked about specific recordings and specific musicians with the specificity of two people who had spent their entire adult lives thinking about these things and rarely found another person who had thought about them with equivalent care.
They talked about where music came from and where music was going and whether those two questions were actually one question or two. Patricia Wells said afterward that she had asked approximately four questions in the remaining 42 minutes because Bob Dylan and Keith Richards did not require questions. They required only a room and a camera and the shared understanding that what they were saying together was worth recording carefully.
She said it was the best interview she had ever conducted and that she had conducted the smallest part of it. After the program, Bob Dylan and Keith Richards were in the corridor outside the studio when the host Patricia Wells passed them. Patricia Wells said she did not stop because she did not want to interrupt.
She observed them for approximately 30 seconds from a distance. She said they were talking with the ease of people who had known each other for years rather than people who had met for the first time 2 hours earlier. She said that something had shifted between them during the broadcast that the broadcast had made permanent rather than temporary.
She continued down the corridor and did not look back. She said in her account of that evening that she had decided in that moment not to interrupt the conversation because some conversations are more valuable than any question a journalist might ask and that the conversation she had observed for 30 seconds in the corridor outside the studio was one of them.
She had been a music journalist for 12 years. She recognized the difference. Bob Dylan and Keith Richards have maintained their friendship across four decades. They have appeared together at various events, most significantly at the concert for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 1995, where people who were present described them as inseparable for most of the evening, occupying the same corner of the backstage area and talking with the concentrated attention of people who only have a limited amount of time together and intend to use it
well. Bob Dylan has spoken about Keith Richards in interviews with the specific thoughtful care that Bob Dylan reserves for musicians whose work Bob Dylan considers genuinely important rather than merely culturally prominent. Keith Richards has spoken about Bob Dylan in similar terms with the specific respect of someone who recognizes in another person a commitment to music that goes deeper than career.
Neither Bob Dylan nor Keith Richards has made a public statement specifically about how the friendship began or about the November 1986 interview. Bob Dylan has not mentioned the 11 seconds. Keith Richards has not mentioned the sentence. The interview exists in the archive. The 11 seconds are there. The laugh is there. The two words are there.
What is also there for anyone who watches the interview from its beginning and pays attention to the shift that happens at the 9-minute mark is the specific moment when two people who thought they were appearing on a television program discovered they were actually talking to each other. What Keith Richards said in that one sentence has never been officially reported.
The people who were in the studio that evening, Gerald Sherman, Patricia Wells, the floor crew, the two camera operators, the makeup artist who was watching from the side of the set, have described the sentence in consistent terms. They have described its effect. They have described Bob Dylan’s laugh and Bob Dylan’s silence and Bob Dylan’s two words.
They have not repeated the sentence itself in the specific understanding that the sentence was said between two musicians on a television program and that its power resided in the specific context of that exchange and would not survive removal from it intact. What can be said is this. Keith Richards said something to Bob Dylan about Bob Dylan’s music that used Bob Dylan’s own observation about Keith Richards as its starting point and arrived somewhere that Bob Dylan had not anticipated.
Keith Richards turned Bob Dylan’s assessment 90° and showed Bob Dylan something about the music they had both spent their lives making that Bob Dylan recognized immediately as true. And Bob Dylan said, “You’re right.” Two words said by Bob Dylan in public on live television in 1986 to Keith Richards in response to a single sentence Keith Richards had said about music.
Two words that Gerald Sherman, who had worked with Bob Dylan on two previous occasions, said he had never heard Bob Dylan say in a public forum. Two words that Patricia Wells, who had been interviewing musicians for 12 years, said were the most significant two words she had heard in those 12 years. Not because of their content, but because of who said them and what it cost to say them and what it meant that Keith Richards had produced them in 11 seconds from a conversation that began with Bob Dylan calling Keith Richards’s music derivative. And Keith Richards and
Bob Dylan have been close friends for nearly 40 years. The sentence did its work in 11 seconds on the evening of November 3rd, 1986. The work has been ongoing ever since. If this story moved you, subscribe and leave a comment below. Have you ever said something to someone that turned a potential disagreement into an unexpected and lasting connection? Tell us about it in the comments below.
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