December 11, 2003, just after 5:00 in the evening, a currency exchange on Yehuda Halevi Street in downtown Tel Aviv. It was the height of the second Intifada. Bombings were routine. So, when a car exploded outside the storefront killing three bystanders and injuring 18, everyone assumed the same thing. Palestinian terrorism.
They were wrong. Within hours, Israeli police confirmed what nobody expected. The bomb was a mob hit. The target was Ze’ev Rosenstein, Tel Aviv’s most powerful crime boss. The man who ordered it was Yitzhak Abergil, head of the most feared criminal organization Israel has ever produced. Rosenstein survived. Three innocent people did not.
And the blast that killed them did more than tear apart a city block. It ripped open a secret that Israel had spent decades trying to ignore. That the country had become home to a criminal empire no government on Earth seemed able to touch. An empire that at its peak controlled 75% of the ecstasy supply in the United States.
That used the diamond trade to launder hundreds of millions. That built a $10 billion fraud industry in plain sight. And that exploited one of the most sacred laws in Israeli history to shield its leaders from prosecution. This is how it worked. And what it cost. To understand how Israeli organized crime became a global force, you have to go back to the 1950s.
Back to the founding years of the state itself. When Israel absorbed massive waves of Mizrahi and Sephardic Jewish immigrants from Morocco, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Yemen, and Tunisia, Hundreds of thousands were funneled into impoverished development towns and transit camps far from the economic centers of Tel Aviv and Haifa.
Overcrowded housing, discrimination in the labor market, police who looked the other way. It was a pressure cooker. Nearly every major Israeli crime family traces its roots to those communities. The Abergil family, Moroccan Jews from the slums of Lod. The Abu Butbul family, Moroccan and Tunisian roots in Netanya.
The Alperon brothers, Egyptian Jews, 12 kids crammed into a two-bedroom apartment in Givat Shmuel. The Shirazi clan, Iranian Jews, also Netanya. Ze’ev Rosenstein, son of a Romanian father and a Mountain Jewish mother, raised in Jaffa. All of them born into poverty. All of them drawn to the only economy that did not care where you came from.
For decades, the Israeli government pretended none of it existed. In 1971, the attorney general reviewed the evidence and concluded officially that there was no evidence of organized crime in Israel. In 1978, a leaked police intelligence document named the top 11 criminals in the country. The government buried it.
The pattern was set. Deny, ignore, repeat. By the 1990s, you could not ignore it anymore. The assassination of the old guard boss Yehezkel Aslan in 1993, shot dead on a Tel Aviv street after surviving nine previous attempts, unleashed a power struggle that would last two decades.
A new generation moved in, younger, more violent, more ambitious. And they did not just want to run Israel, they wanted to run the world. Yitzhak Abergil had been convicted of murder at 17. He spent 13 years in prison, where he read Nietzsche and Ayn >> >> Rand, and built a reputation so fearsome that other inmates came to him to settle disputes.
By the time he got out, he was ready to build an empire. Ze’ev Rosenstein, a high school dropout, had clawed his way up through illegal casinos near Tel Aviv’s Central Bus Station. Ya’akov Alperon was already running protection rackets across the greater Tel Aviv region. Then came the Russian wave, roughly 1 million Soviet Jewish immigrants arriving after 1989.
Among them, an estimated 5,000 to 6,000 with criminal backgrounds. Over the next 15 years, police estimated Russian organized crime laundered between 5 billion and 10 billion dollars through Israel’s banking system. The country had no anti-money laundering laws. None. By the early 2000s, Israeli police privately identified 16 crime families, five dominant nationally, generating an estimated 50 billion shekels a year, roughly 14 billion dollars.
The turf wars between them were spectacular and public. Car bombings on crowded streets. Motorcycle-born assassins with silenced weapons. Anti-tank missiles fired at suburban homes. Contract killers imported from Belarus in the former Soviet Union. In June 2002, the Abergils’ eldest brother, Ya’akov, was gunned down in front of his family.
In retaliation, Yitzhak ordered the assassination of rival Felix Abutbul outside his Prague casino, and then the 2003 Tel Aviv bombing that killed three bystanders. Civilian casualties became routine. In May 2005, a 3-year-old girl named Lea Kayatev was killed in a drive-by shooting in Lod.
In July 2008, a social worker named Margarita Lautin, 31 years old, was shot dead on the Bat Yam boardwalk in front of her husband and two children during a failed hit on Aburgil associates. A family photo taken 20 minutes before her death became a haunting symbol. The newspaper Maariv ran a single word headline, die. Enough.
A 2009 US an embassy cable later leaked by WikiLeaks gave it a blunt title, Israel, the promised land of organized crime. The ambassador identified 16 families and 78 individuals at the center of Israeli criminal activity. >> >> He noted that a niece of a powerful mob boss had been elected to the Knesset.
And that was just the domestic picture. What these families built internationally, >> >> that’s where the real story begins. Here is how it actually worked. These were not street thugs. They were running multinational enterprises with the efficiency of Fortune 500 companies and the morality of a cartel.
Start with ecstasy. In a 2000 statement before the US Congress, customs officials said it plainly, Israeli organized crime elements controlled the American ecstasy trade from production through the international smuggling phase. The DEA put a number on it. 75% of the entire US ecstasy supply ran through Israeli networks. The economics were staggering.
Pills manufactured in clandestine labs across the Netherlands and Belgium cost between 5 cents and 25 cents to produce. On the streets of New York or Miami or Los Angeles, they sold for 25 to $50 each. A $100,000 investment could return $5 million in a matter of weeks.
The key figure was Oded Tuito. Described by the DEA as running the single largest ecstasy smuggling operation ever identified. He imported more than 7 million tablets into the United States using a courier network that was as creative as it was ruthless. Manhattan strippers carried 30,000 to 60,000 pills per trip in specially designed luggage.
Elderly couples who looked nothing like drug mules acted as couriers. FedEx packages were routed through third countries. And in one of the more brazen schemes, an Amsterdam-based Israeli named Sean Erez recruited young Hasidic Jewish men from Brooklyn as couriers. He told them they were smuggling diamonds for the Holy Land, a mitzvah, a good deed, and stuffed their luggage with ecstasy instead.
That case later inspired the 2010 film Holy Rollers starring Jesse Eisenberg. President George W. Bush personally designated Tuito a drug kingpin in May 2002. Tuito was eventually arrested in Spain. He died of a heart attack in his Brooklyn detention cell in June 2004 at age 44 before he could stand trial. Meanwhile, Zeev Rosenstein, the man who had survived seven assassination attempts including that 2003 car bomb, was running his own pipeline.
In November 2004, agents seized 700,000 ecstasy tablets and $187,000 in cash from a Manhattan apartment and traced it all back to him. The DEA placed him on the Attorney General’s Consolidated Priority Organization Target List, the most wanted drug traffickers in the world. He would become the first top Israeli crime figure ever extradited to the United States after a precedent-setting Supreme Court battle that dragged on for years.
The Abergil organization ran parallel ecstasy networks through Antwerp’s port. Yitzhak himself was convicted in a Belgian court in 2008 for drug trafficking through the city. In Los Angeles, they teamed up with the Vineland Boyz street gang to distribute pills and enforce territory. When an Israeli drug dealer named Sami Oti Azar allegedly stole 76 kg of ecstasy from an Abergil shipment, he was shot dead in an Encino cafe parking lot on August 31st, 2003.
A single LA PD bust in July 2002 seized 400,000 ecstasy tablets valued at $5 million. Israeli trafficker Ilan Zargar supplied nearly 4 million pills over 3 years to former Gambino underboss Sammy “the Bull” Gravano’s Arizona drug ring. The reach was global, including Australia, Japan, >> >> South Africa, and Thailand.
Wherever there was a nightclub scene and money to be made, Israeli networks showed up first. The drugs followed a route that already existed, the diamond trade. The Israel Diamond Exchange in Ramat Gan handles roughly 40% of the world’s rough diamond production. Antwerp, where 86% of rough diamonds pass through, has $37 billion in annual turnover and a massive Israeli presence.
Diamonds are portable, high value, and nearly impossible to trace. They are, as one investigator put it, a great way to launder money, to hide money, to evade taxes. The Abergils >> >> were based in Ramat Gan, the same city as the diamond exchange. Their ecstasy moved through Antwerp, the diamond capital.
Same routes, same infrastructure, different product. But the most brazen Israeli criminal enterprise was not drugs. It was fraud. At its peak in the mid-2010s, hundreds of companies employing thousands of Israelis operated from call centers across Tel Aviv, Ramat Gan, Herzliya, and Caesarea, running rigged binary options trading platforms.
Here is how it worked. The company was the counterparty to every investor’s trade. If the investor won, the company lost. So, the platforms were designed to ensure investors always lost. The FBI estimated the global binary options fraud industry was stealing $10 billion per year. Israel was its epicenter.
One ex-employee reported that her company alone earned $10 million per month. Lee Elbaz, chief executive officer of a firm called Yukom Communications operating BinaryBook and BigOption, was arrested by the F B I at JFK Airport in September 2017. She was convicted of wire fraud involving $145 million and sentenced to 22 years in federal prison.
The Knesset voted 53 to 0 in October 2017 to ban the entire industry. By then, the operators had already pivoted to cryptocurrency scams and foreign exchange fraud, relocating their call centers to Bulgaria, Serbia, Ukraine, and Kosovo. But none of this would have been possible without a legal shield that made Israel a de facto sanctuary for criminals.
Israel’s Law of Return, passed in 1950, grants every Jewish person the right to immigrate and receive citizenship. It is one of the most important laws in the country’s history, designed to provide refuge for persecuted Jews worldwide. But in 1978, Prime Minister Menachem Begin’s government passed the Offenses Committed Abroad Act, which effectively eliminated the extradition of Israeli citizens, period.
For more than 20 years, Israel became what one Supreme Court justice warned would be a sanctuary for criminals. As a US official put it bluntly, “There is not a major Russian organized crime figure who we are tracking who does not also carry an Israeli passport.” The case that finally forced reform was absurd in its extremity.
In 1997, a teenager named Samuel Sheinbein murdered and dismembered a classmate in Maryland, then fled to Israel claiming citizenship through his father. He had never lived in the country, never visited, but the Israeli Supreme Court blocked extradition in a three-to-two ruling. The outrage was international.
Congress threatened to withhold $500 million in US aid. Scheinbein was eventually tried in Israel and sentenced to 24 years. >> >> In 2014, he smuggled a handgun into prison, shot six guards, and was killed by police. Reforms followed in 1999 and 2001, but the loopholes persisted. Legal scholars Abraham Abramovsky and Jonathan Edelstein wrote that the reformed policy still leaves loopholes that will allow many criminals to recede to Israel soil, and they were right.
Extraditing Ze’ev Rosenstein in 2006 required years of legal warfare. The Abergil extradition in 2011 demanded a 77-page, 32-count federal indictment. And the case of Australian child abuse fugitive Malka Leifer, who evaded extradition through more than 70 court hearings over nearly 13 years, showed just how dysfunctional the system remained.
Every empire has a weakness. For the Israeli mob, it was their own violence, killing three civilians on a busy Tel Aviv street during the Second Intifada, a bombing so brutal it was initially mistaken for Palestinian terrorism. That was the line they could not uncross. Prime Minister Ariel Sharon convened an emergency cabinet meeting.
He pledged 500 million shekels, roughly $100 million to fight organized crime. In 2003, the Knesset passed the Organized Crime Combat Law, Israel’s equivalent of the American RICO statute. It imposed 10-year sentences for heading a criminal organization and mandatory asset forfeiture. In January 2008, the government created Lahav 433, a 950-officer unit modeled after the FBI specifically tasked with dismantling the syndicates.
A witness protection authority was established the same year. This set the tone for the crackdown. And then came case >> >> 512. It was the largest criminal investigation in Israeli history and the one that would finally break the back of the old guard. It started with the 2003 bombing and grew into a sprawling investigation encompassing 40 individual cases, more than 60 suspects, and over 12 years of documented criminal activity.
International cooperation was essential. The FBI, the DEA, Europol, and the Australian Federal Police all contributed intelligence and manpower. Seven state witnesses were recruited, a dangerous proposition in a country where the mob had already demonstrated it could reach anyone. One of those witnesses, a man named Yoni Alzam, was found dead from cyanide poisoning in a maximum-security prison cell the day before he was supposed to testify.
In 2015, over 50 suspects were arrested in coordinated raids across Israel. The trial lasted six years. It was held in specially constructed courtrooms with bulletproof glass separating defendants from witnesses, judges, and prosecutors. The trial was a spectacle. In November 2021, Yitzhak Abergil was convicted of three counts of murder for the 2003 bombing.
The verdict ran 824 pages. In June 2022, he was sentenced to three life terms plus 30 additional years. In November 2024, the Supreme Court rejected his final appeal. He will die in prison. Ze’ev Rosenstein had already served roughly 17 years between US and Israeli convictions and was released on parole in 2021.
Assi Abu Butbul sat in prison facing additional murder charges. Rico Shirazi was serving 17 years combined. The prosecutor called it the end of an era. But destroying the old guard did not destroy organized crime. It created a vacuum and what rushed in was worse. The traditional Jewish crime families that had dominated since the 1990s were broken.
In their place, Arab-Israeli crime families surged to fill the void. The Abu Bakri Latif clan, a Druze organization with roughly 220 members, may now be Israel’s most powerful crime family. The Bakri family from Nazareth has approximately 120 members. The Hariri family is based in Ramallah. And the Karaja family is another key group. >> >> These groups operate differently from the old Jewish syndicates.
They are more decentralized, more willing to use extreme violence in residential areas, and more connected to weapons smuggled from conflict zones in Syria, Lebanon, and the Palestinian territories. And law enforcement, stretched thin, underfunded in Arab communities, and deeply distrusted by the populations they serve, has been unable to keep pace.
The violence that followed was unlike anything Israel had seen. 123 people were killed in Arab communities in 2020, 135 in 2021. Then the numbers exploded. 244 >> >> in 2023. 237 in 2024. On pace to exceed 250 in 2025. Approximately one person was killed every single day. And police solve only 10 to 15% of homicides in Arab communities compared to 65% in Jewish communities.
An estimated 400,000 illegal firearms circulate in Israel. In September 2025 four officers from Lahav 433, the very unit built to fight organized crime, were arrested for leaking intelligence to the crime families they were supposed to be investigating. Police Commissioner Daniel Levi called it a state of national emergency. The criminal economy evolved, too.
After the binary options ban, Israeli fraud operators pivoted to cryptocurrency scams and forex fraud. A government report conceded that online fraud had become more lucrative than drug trafficking and physical theft. The methods changed. The money did not stop flowing. If your country’s own laws protect the criminals operating from its soil, who is really responsible? Let me know in the comments.
Yitzhak Abergil sits in an Israeli prison. Three life sentences. He will never leave Seattle. Rosenstein walks free. Released in 2021 claiming retirement from crime, police intelligence reportedly says otherwise. >> >> Nissim Alperon, the man who survived nine assassination attempts, did not survive cancer.
He died in 2023 at 68. Shalom Domrani, the king of the south, is free >> >> and believed active. Lee Elbaz serves 22 years in a US federal prison. In December 2024, the Knesset passed a new law authorizing courts to impose restriction orders on suspected crime figures without a full criminal trial, an acknowledgement that witness intimidation has made conventional prosecution nearly impossible.
The structural conditions that created Israeli organized crime have not gone away. Marginalized communities, porous borders, an overburdened legal system, a country that spent decades in denial and is now playing catch-up against an underworld that evolves faster than the laws designed to fight it. Every time law enforcement dismantles one generation of criminals, the conditions that produced them generate the next.
The Abu Latif clan now holds government construction contracts building IDF bases and border fence sections despite known intelligence linking its members to Hezbollah. The line between organized crime and the state has never been thinner. And somewhere in a Ramat Gan call center, someone is picking up the phone.
The next scheme is already running.
QQ4 Bob Dylan and Keith Richards have been close friends for nearly 40 years. The friendship began on a live television program in November of 1986 in the 11 seconds after Bob Dylan called Keith Richards music derivative on camera. Keith Richard’s response to that assessment, one sentence said without anger, without performance, with the specific directness of a man who has nothing to prove and knows it made Bob Dylan laugh.
Then made Bob Dylan go quiet. then made Bob Dylan say two words that people who know Bob Dylan say he almost never said to anyone. This is the story of those 11 seconds and the 40 years that followed them. The program was a live music interview special broadcast on an American network on the evening of November 3rd, 1986. The format was simple.
Two musicians, a host, an hour of conversation about music and the state of it. The producers had assembled the pairing of Bob Dylan and Keith Richards with the specific calculation of television producers who understand that two people with equally strong and potentially incompatible views about what music is and what it should do will produce better television than two people who agree about everything.
The calculation was correct, though not in the way the producers had anticipated. Bob Dylan was 45 years old in November of 1986. Bob Dylan had released Empire Burlesque the previous year and had been on the road for most of the intervening period as part of the True Confessions tour with Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers.
Bob Dylan was in November of 1986 in one of the most prolific and restless phases of a career that had consisted almost entirely of prolific and restless phases. A career that had moved through folk, rock, country, gospel, and back again, that had been declared finished at least six times by the music press, and at each time continued with the serene indifference of a river to the opinions of people standing on its banks.
Bob Dylan had been redefining what music could be. Since 1962, Bob Dylan had invented and reinvented himself so many times that reinvention had become his defining characteristic, not in the superficial sense of a performer changing costumes, but in the deeper sense of a musician who had never allowed his work to settle into a form that could be anticipated or categorized from the outside.
Bob Dylan understood influence and originality and the relationship between them better than almost anyone alive in 1986. Bob Dylan had spent 24 years thinking carefully and specifically about where music came from and where music was going and what it meant that those two things were always in constant conversation with each other.
Keith Richards was 42 years old in November of 1986. Keith Richards had been playing guitar professionally since 1962. Keith Richards had built a career on a foundation of American blues and rhythm and blues. A foundation that Keith Richards had studied with the systematic devotion of someone who understood that the tradition he was building on was not incidental to the music he was making, but essential to it.
that you could not understand what Keith Richards did without understanding where Keith Richards had come from and what Keith Richards had been listening to since he was a teenager in Dartford with American Import Records and a secondhand guitar and no teacher except the recordings themselves. Keith Richards had never pretended otherwise. Keith Richards had in fact spent considerable energy across his career making the lineage explicit, naming the artists, citing the recordings, insisting on the acknowledgement of influence that the mainstream music
industry had a long history of suppressing or ignoring or crediting to the wrong people. If anything, Keith Richards was more transparent about his sources than most musicians of his generation. Keith Richards had always said openly that the Rolling Stones came directly from the blues, that Muddy Waters and Robert Johnson and the specific tradition of the Mississippi Delta were not background influences, but foundational ones.
The music Keith Richards made was in direct and sustained conversation with that tradition, something Keith Richards considered not a limitation, but a responsibility and a form of respect. The interview had been running for 8 minutes when the host asked Bob Dylan about the current state of rock and roll.
Bob Dylan answered with the density and the indirection that characterized Bob Dylan’s responses to direct questions, turning the question over, approaching it from an unexpected angle, finding his way to what he actually thought through a series of observations that moved like a river rather than a road. Bob Dylan was not a straightforward interview subject.
Bob Dylan had been asked about rock and roll in hundreds of interviews across 24 years and had developed the habit of treating the question as an invitation to think out loud rather than a request for a prepared position. The producer Gerald Sherman said afterward that in the first 8 minutes of the interview, he had been slightly anxious, not because anything was going wrong, but because nothing was going anywhere in particular yet.
The interview had the feeling of two conversations happening simultaneously. Bob Dylan’s internal one and the external one visible to the cameras. And Gerald Sherman was not certain in those first eight minutes that the two conversations would converge into something. Bob Dylan talked about influence. Bob Dylan talked about originality.
Bob Dylan talked about the difference between music that absorbed a tradition and transformed it and music that absorbed a tradition and reproduced it. And then Bob Dylan made his assessment. And then Bob Dylan said with the precision of a man making a musical assessment rather than a personal judgment that the Rolling Stones work, and Bob Dylan was specific, naming Keith Richards as the guitarist whose approach he was discussing was derivative in a way that Bob Dylan found limiting.
Bob Dylan said it without hostility. Bob Dylan said it as a technical observation about the relationship between source material and the work that came from it. Bob Dylan said that Keith Richards played the blues the way the blues had already been played, rather than using the blues as a starting point for something that had not yet been played.
Keith Richards had been listening to this with the specific attention Keith Richards gave to things being said about music by people who knew music. Keith Richards did not interrupt. Keith Richards did not shift in his chair or display any of the visible signals of a person preparing a defensive response. Keith Richards listened to Bob Dylan’s complete observation all the way to its conclusion without interrupting and without displaying any visible signal of preparing a response.
Then Keith Richards said one sentence. The sentence was not a rebuttal. The sentence did not defend Keith Richards music or argue for its originality or challenge Bob Dylan’s characterization of what the blues meant in the context of rock and roll. The sentence was something else entirely, something that required a specific kind of confidence to say.
The confidence of a person who has spent long enough thinking about the same things as the person they are talking to that they can locate the exact point where their thinking diverges and say something useful about that point rather than simply defending their own position. The sentence acknowledged everything Bob Dylan had said, the assessment, the distinction Bob Dylan was drawing, the specific musical concern underlying the observation, and then turned it 90°.
Keith Richards took Bob Dylan’s own framework, the one Bob Dylan had used to analyze Keith Richards relationship to the blues tradition, and applied it back to Bob Dylan’s work with the same precision Bob Dylan had used to apply it to Keith Richards. Spare aimed. The sentence asked Bob Dylan something about Bob Dylan’s own music, about the relationship between Bob Dylan’s sources and Bob Dylan’s output that Bob Dylan had not been asked on television before.
The sentence did not attack. The sentence illuminated. Bob Dylan laughed. The laugh was not the polite laugh of someone responding to a joke. The laugh was the involuntary laugh of someone who has been genuinely surprised. The specific kind of surprise that a person of exceptional intelligence experiences when someone else’s intelligence exceeds their expectations.
Bob Dylan laughed for 4 seconds. Then Bob Dylan stopped laughing. Then Bob Dylan was quiet for 3 seconds in the way that Bob Dylan was quiet when Bob Dylan was thinking rather than performing thought. Then Bob Dylan said, “You’re right.” The producer in the booth, a man named Gerald Sherman, who had been working in television for 14 years, said afterward that in 14 years of live television production, he had never heard Bob Dylan say those two words in a public forum.
Gerald Sherman said he had worked with Bob Dylan on two previous occasions and had observed Bob Dylan in numerous other contexts and that you’re right was not a phrase that Bob Dylan deployed easily or often because Bob Dylan had spent 24 years being right about music in ways that other people eventually caught up with. And the experience of being right ahead of everyone else does not generally produce a man who says you’re right readily when someone else makes a point.
The host of the program, a journalist named Patricia Wells, who had been interviewing musicians for 12 years, said afterward that the 11 seconds between Bob Dylan’s assessment and Bob Dylan saying, “You’re right,” were the most extraordinary 11 seconds of television she had been present for. Patricia Wells said that what she witnessed in those 11 seconds was not a debate or a confrontation or a celebrity exchange of competing opinions.
Patricia Wells said what she witnessed was one musician recognizing another musician as an equal, which was in the specific context of Bob Dylan in 1986, not something that happened in public very often. The interview continued for another 42 minutes after those 11 seconds. The conversation between Bob Dylan and Keith Richards in the remaining 42 minutes was described by everyone who watched it as fundamentally different from the first 8 minutes.
The host, Patricia Wells, who had been conducting music interviews for 12 years and understood the difference between the performance of conversation and actual conversation, said that at approximately the 9-minute mark, something shifted in the studio. That the formal interview, architecture dissolved, and what replaced it was something less structured and more genuine.
Bob Dylan and Keith Richards talked about influence and originality and the blues and what it meant to build on a tradition without being consumed by it. They talked about specific recordings and specific musicians with the specificity of two people who had spent their entire adult lives thinking about these things and rarely found another person who had thought about them with equivalent care.
They talked about where music came from and where music was going and whether those two questions were actually one question or two. Patricia Wells said afterward that she had asked approximately four questions in the remaining 42 minutes because Bob Dylan and Keith Richards did not require questions. They required only a room and a camera and the shared understanding that what they were saying together was worth recording carefully.
She said it was the best interview she had ever conducted and that she had conducted the smallest part of it. After the program, Bob Dylan and Keith Richards were in the corridor outside the studio when the host Patricia Wells passed them. Patricia Wells said she did not stop because she did not want to interrupt.
She observed them for approximately 30 seconds from a distance. She said they were talking with the ease of people who had known each other for years rather than people who had met for the first time 2 hours earlier. She said that something had shifted between them during the broadcast that the broadcast had made permanent rather than temporary.
She continued down the corridor and did not look back. She said in her account of that evening that she had decided in that moment not to interrupt the conversation because some conversations are more valuable than any question a journalist might ask and that the conversation she had observed for 30 seconds in the corridor outside the studio was one of them.
She had been a music journalist for 12 years. She recognized the difference. Bob Dylan and Keith Richards have maintained their friendship across four decades. They have appeared together at various events, most significantly at the concert for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 1995, where people who were present described them as inseparable for most of the evening, occupying the same corner of the backstage area and talking with the concentrated attention of people who only have a limited amount of time together and intend to use it
well. Bob Dylan has spoken about Keith Richards in interviews with the specific thoughtful care that Bob Dylan reserves for musicians whose work Bob Dylan considers genuinely important rather than merely culturally prominent. Keith Richards has spoken about Bob Dylan in similar terms with the specific respect of someone who recognizes in another person a commitment to music that goes deeper than career.
Neither Bob Dylan nor Keith Richards has made a public statement specifically about how the friendship began or about the November 1986 interview. Bob Dylan has not mentioned the 11 seconds. Keith Richards has not mentioned the sentence. The interview exists in the archive. The 11 seconds are there. The laugh is there. The two words are there.
What is also there for anyone who watches the interview from its beginning and pays attention to the shift that happens at the 9-minute mark is the specific moment when two people who thought they were appearing on a television program discovered they were actually talking to each other. What Keith Richards said in that one sentence has never been officially reported.
The people who were in the studio that evening, Gerald Sherman, Patricia Wells, the floor crew, the two camera operators, the makeup artist who was watching from the side of the set, have described the sentence in consistent terms. They have described its effect. They have described Bob Dylan’s laugh and Bob Dylan’s silence and Bob Dylan’s two words.
They have not repeated the sentence itself in the specific understanding that the sentence was said between two musicians on a television program and that its power resided in the specific context of that exchange and would not survive removal from it intact. What can be said is this. Keith Richards said something to Bob Dylan about Bob Dylan’s music that used Bob Dylan’s own observation about Keith Richards as its starting point and arrived somewhere that Bob Dylan had not anticipated.
Keith Richards turned Bob Dylan’s assessment 90° and showed Bob Dylan something about the music they had both spent their lives making that Bob Dylan recognized immediately as true. And Bob Dylan said, “You’re right.” Two words said by Bob Dylan in public on live television in 1986 to Keith Richards in response to a single sentence Keith Richards had said about music.
Two words that Gerald Sherman, who had worked with Bob Dylan on two previous occasions, said he had never heard Bob Dylan say in a public forum. Two words that Patricia Wells, who had been interviewing musicians for 12 years, said were the most significant two words she had heard in those 12 years. Not because of their content, but because of who said them and what it cost to say them and what it meant that Keith Richards had produced them in 11 seconds from a conversation that began with Bob Dylan calling Keith Richards’s music derivative. And Keith Richards and
Bob Dylan have been close friends for nearly 40 years. The sentence did its work in 11 seconds on the evening of November 3rd, 1986. The work has been ongoing ever since. If this story moved you, subscribe and leave a comment below. Have you ever said something to someone that turned a potential disagreement into an unexpected and lasting connection? Tell us about it in the comments below.
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